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	<title>Comments on: Lessons from Dell’s N.C. Shutdown</title>
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		<title>By: Sunk: Mercury Marine fiasco casts light on costs of state subsidy wars &#124; OK Policy Blog</title>
		<link>http://clawback.org/2009/10/07/lessons-from-dell%e2%80%99s-n-c-shutdown/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunk: Mercury Marine fiasco casts light on costs of state subsidy wars &#124; OK Policy Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] deals intended to lure jobs and investment have instead ended up leading to a major plant shutdown (Dell in North Carolina) and a criminal probe (film tax credits in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] deals intended to lure jobs and investment have instead ended up leading to a major plant shutdown (Dell in North Carolina) and a criminal probe (film tax credits in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about clawbacks?

According to the Associated Press, most of the incentives were predicated on hitting job targets, so they were not yet paid out. The Mayor of Winston-Salem says that the city&#039;s contract with Dell requires the company to repay all its up-front spending, about $15.5 million.

But the company may not have to repay the money it received for reaching its early job targets, or for state training or infrastructure spending, according to the article, coming to about $18 million.

So, the lessons I draw are two: first, the deal was mostly well-designed, with back-loaded subsidies largely obviating the need for clawbacks (see the Weber and Santacroce study on this website) and Winston-Salem writing clawbacks into its contract; second, the state overpaid for the investment in the first place, on the order of about $300,000 per job.

Source: Associated Press State and Local Wire, &quot;Millions Spent Luring Dell to NC Can&#039;t be Recouped,&quot; October 9, 2009.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about clawbacks?</p>
<p>According to the Associated Press, most of the incentives were predicated on hitting job targets, so they were not yet paid out. The Mayor of Winston-Salem says that the city&#8217;s contract with Dell requires the company to repay all its up-front spending, about $15.5 million.</p>
<p>But the company may not have to repay the money it received for reaching its early job targets, or for state training or infrastructure spending, according to the article, coming to about $18 million.</p>
<p>So, the lessons I draw are two: first, the deal was mostly well-designed, with back-loaded subsidies largely obviating the need for clawbacks (see the Weber and Santacroce study on this website) and Winston-Salem writing clawbacks into its contract; second, the state overpaid for the investment in the first place, on the order of about $300,000 per job.</p>
<p>Source: Associated Press State and Local Wire, &#8220;Millions Spent Luring Dell to NC Can&#8217;t be Recouped,&#8221; October 9, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Greenwich</title>
		<link>http://clawback.org/2009/10/07/lessons-from-dell%e2%80%99s-n-c-shutdown/#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Greenwich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Greg.  This one lesson may be one of the largest set of blinders worn by public officials, simple as it is. 

We (Washington) lost Boeing in a bidding war with Chicago after decades of civic investment by the company, in everything from the arts, to schools to public facilities.  This was merely a sign of things to come.  Just the other day, Boeing&#039;s most significant contribution to an educated workforce - free tuition for Boeing workers for any post-secondary eduction - has been canceled.   Now, every other day we hear stories about Boeing moving production to other states if we don&#039;t reduce taxes.  And they want concessions from Boeing unions.  I foresee ten years of concessions and tax reductions ultimately resulting in Boeing exporting half of all its jobs, if not more.  And ceasing to see itself tied to any place, whether Washington or Illinois or South Carolina.  

Let the NC Dell plant be a warning to all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Greg.  This one lesson may be one of the largest set of blinders worn by public officials, simple as it is. </p>
<p>We (Washington) lost Boeing in a bidding war with Chicago after decades of civic investment by the company, in everything from the arts, to schools to public facilities.  This was merely a sign of things to come.  Just the other day, Boeing&#8217;s most significant contribution to an educated workforce &#8211; free tuition for Boeing workers for any post-secondary eduction &#8211; has been canceled.   Now, every other day we hear stories about Boeing moving production to other states if we don&#8217;t reduce taxes.  And they want concessions from Boeing unions.  I foresee ten years of concessions and tax reductions ultimately resulting in Boeing exporting half of all its jobs, if not more.  And ceasing to see itself tied to any place, whether Washington or Illinois or South Carolina.  </p>
<p>Let the NC Dell plant be a warning to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same thing happened with the Sony plant in Pennsylvania.  I sure hope one day elected and government officials change their way of thinking about economic development by curtailing the practice of luring big businesses into their community and start incentivizing the local small businesses that have fueled and will continue to fuel the economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened with the Sony plant in Pennsylvania.  I sure hope one day elected and government officials change their way of thinking about economic development by curtailing the practice of luring big businesses into their community and start incentivizing the local small businesses that have fueled and will continue to fuel the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lacy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saw it coming and going, you did!  Alphan and Omega, sad to say, sad to see here in NC.  Today&#039;s blog is clear, concise, authoritative.  May you find an audience among officials even now being tempted by such scams.  It&#039;s great to have you guys keeping track, elucidating just this sort of &quot;respectable&quot; usury.  Thanks and keep up the great work.  There&#039;s much to do in restoring integrity to the marketplace, dignity to our workforce and prosperity to our middle class.  Thanks again.
Tom Lacy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw it coming and going, you did!  Alphan and Omega, sad to say, sad to see here in NC.  Today&#8217;s blog is clear, concise, authoritative.  May you find an audience among officials even now being tempted by such scams.  It&#8217;s great to have you guys keeping track, elucidating just this sort of &#8220;respectable&#8221; usury.  Thanks and keep up the great work.  There&#8217;s much to do in restoring integrity to the marketplace, dignity to our workforce and prosperity to our middle class.  Thanks again.<br />
Tom Lacy</p>
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